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ronald reagan wouldn't fit in with them. chris christie of course will be a part of that camp. >> immigration is going to be a real good test case. you'll see this divide between that brand of moderate republicans saying that immigration is an economic issue. that we need to bring in people with the skills that america needs to power the economy and on the other side, folks like steve king and michele bachmann who use those emotional appeals of they'll take your jobs, they're from another country and so on and so forth. how that plays out will be key to what the party becomes. >> john: you can't win the white house with less than 40% of the latino vote. the pragmatic republican response would be let's find a pathway to citizen. you have sean hannity saying this now. >> what a conversion. >> john: everyone in politics -- >> how convenient. >> john: in fairness, both sides historically have cared more about electability than ideology. >> true. but this is a party who when bush did it, when democrats tried to bring forward a dr
ronald reagan wouldn't fit in with them. chris christie of course will be a part of that camp. >> immigration is going to be a real good test case. you'll see this divide between that brand of moderate republicans saying that immigration is an economic issue. that we need to bring in people with the skills that america needs to power the economy and on the other side, folks like steve king and michele bachmann who use those emotional appeals of they'll take your jobs, they're from another...
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ronald reagan was solidly for immigration reform, and if you go to youtube and google reagan-mondale debate, reagan making the case not for legalization, but for amnesty. using that word. now, republicans are pro-immigration, but they have been afraid for the past six years of anti-immigration lobby with an incredible political machine, and anybody who says anything constructive on immigration will be labeled pro-amnesty, and certainly, some talk show hosts, and now, i think this election cycle dramatically changed that. i can, at least, number half a dozen talk shows that said, you know what? my position evolved, and now i'm for immigration reform, but that is good because it will give cover to a lot of republicans who have avoided the issue or want to deal with the issue to actually do it so we have to reclaim the issue, and we can do it because immigration and being for immigration reform is actually the conservative position. restrictionists at the end is part of the nationalist, protectionist paradigm, and if we are the party of the family, if we are the party of the free market
ronald reagan was solidly for immigration reform, and if you go to youtube and google reagan-mondale debate, reagan making the case not for legalization, but for amnesty. using that word. now, republicans are pro-immigration, but they have been afraid for the past six years of anti-immigration lobby with an incredible political machine, and anybody who says anything constructive on immigration will be labeled pro-amnesty, and certainly, some talk show hosts, and now, i think this election cycle...
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that was tried by ronald reagan. nonsense. what are we continuing with this? the party has to show more empathy. not because i am successful i will think that everybody else is [indiscernible]. my parents instilled in the hard work. also, government systems or programs helped me to get an education. it helped me to be where i am today. host: loou is on the line from waterbury, connecticut -- lou. caller: i am a registered republican, but i have been voting libertarian since the mid-1990's. i agree with everything mitt romney has said. when ronald reagan was president, approximately 29% of the american public got some kind of government assistance. today the number is 49% almost. thomas jefferson said it best. "once public realizes you have treasury, the republic is doomed." you have too many people suc king it up. a politician is robbing peter to pay paul will always have paul's vote. we have to cut the size of the federal government by 90%. we need to abolish social security, medicare, food stamps, these are all social programs. host: the previous caller talk
that was tried by ronald reagan. nonsense. what are we continuing with this? the party has to show more empathy. not because i am successful i will think that everybody else is [indiscernible]. my parents instilled in the hard work. also, government systems or programs helped me to get an education. it helped me to be where i am today. host: loou is on the line from waterbury, connecticut -- lou. caller: i am a registered republican, but i have been voting libertarian since the mid-1990's. i...
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ronald reagan's second term -- >> a few months ago, i told the american people i did not trade arms for hostages. my heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not. >> reporter: the iran contra affair. bill clinton -- >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: impeached after the lewinsky mess. and george w. bush, well, there was the valerie plame spygate scandal, not to mentioning the handling of hurricane katrina. that's trouble for roughly 100% of re-elected presidents since 1972. yes, it's enough to give you second thoughts about that second term. so is there anything the obama team can do to prevent this? now, as bill clinton might say. >> it depends upon what the meaning of the word "is" is. >> reporter: the fact is, if there is going to be a second-term scandal, its seeds were probably sewn in the first term. the watergate break-in, nixon's first term. the actual iran contra deal, reagan's first term. bill clinton's liaison with lewinsky, first term. the actual plame leaks, first term. so if the obama tea
ronald reagan's second term -- >> a few months ago, i told the american people i did not trade arms for hostages. my heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not. >> reporter: the iran contra affair. bill clinton -- >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: impeached after the lewinsky mess. and george w. bush, well, there was the valerie plame spygate scandal, not to mentioning the handling...
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in a nutshell, what ronald reagan understood was a conservatism was not defined by its resentment. but which actually had a smile on its face. much like reagan himself. that is why it into a curious sort of way, it seems republicans, not out of breath out -- not out of nostalgia am i think for conservatives you can do a lot worse thing go back and look at the real reagan. the pragmatic reagan. the reagan who was willing under certain circumstances to raise taxes. the reagan willing to put dick on his ticket in '76 or george bush four years later. >> the tax policies that some precedent. do you think the fiscal cliff and the presence of the debt ceiling are enough to overcome this culture of obstruction? >> i am not sure it will overcome the culture of destruction. that is in many ways an outgrowth of the political system that we have built. on the other hand, you may not have to overcome the culture of obstruction. only have to pick up -- pick off x number members of congress. >> he said it was time for republicans to stopping this departed. whether you agree with that are not -- s
in a nutshell, what ronald reagan understood was a conservatism was not defined by its resentment. but which actually had a smile on its face. much like reagan himself. that is why it into a curious sort of way, it seems republicans, not out of breath out -- not out of nostalgia am i think for conservatives you can do a lot worse thing go back and look at the real reagan. the pragmatic reagan. the reagan who was willing under certain circumstances to raise taxes. the reagan willing to put dick...
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ronald reagan made his progress with the soviets in the second term. bill clinton almost got a middle east peace deal in the second term. so i do think there's a sense when you look abroad the president has more opportunities to leave a mark. >> john do you think, those that the scandal involving cia director former cia director david petraeus could derail the efforts he's trying to get going here? >> this one won't derail it but it's a very good example of the kind of thing that tends to turn up for season in more in a second term. you know iran-contra for president reagan rather famously president clinton's impeachment was in the second term. so it may not be this one, but, you know there is kind of a coincidence that time consuming scandals do pop up in those last four years. >> it's interesting you bring up legacy. one of the issues with the fiscal cliff is what kind of legacy would john boehner or the president leave behind when they leave office if they can't get a deal done and what about a second term compromising and going your own route. >> t
ronald reagan made his progress with the soviets in the second term. bill clinton almost got a middle east peace deal in the second term. so i do think there's a sense when you look abroad the president has more opportunities to leave a mark. >> john do you think, those that the scandal involving cia director former cia director david petraeus could derail the efforts he's trying to get going here? >> this one won't derail it but it's a very good example of the kind of thing that...
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my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then finally the libyan press conference that he gave that was such a disaster, the next morning, i went out, i said, this is the worst thing, mark stein at "national review" and all these other people went crazy talking about how i was a rhino and i was this. it was stupidity. then they decided to come at us saying we doctored a tape and obsessed for a week over two seconds where we felt they said ryan, they thought they said romney. so while all of these conspiracy theories are spewing on the right and the conservative entertainment complex, barack obama's team is organizing. and they're targeting. and inst
my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then...
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reagan was with the blowing up of the u.s. marine in beirut. >> shep: this just one of several hearings that were underway today. each focused on what went wrong in benghazi. katherine herrage live. it's my understanding that within the hour, we've learned some members of congress viewed a video of that attack happening in benghazi. >> the intelligence community put together a half hour video, composite from multiple video sources that shows the minutes before the attack, the militants overrunning the consulate, and the second wave of mortars that struck the c.i.a. annex. >> i mean, it's just so obvious to be so obvious to any inexperienced individual that this was purely a terrorist attack. >> fox news has told the c.i.a. is launching a preliminary investigation into the former director's conduct. the issue is whether any c.i.a. resources were used to facilitate the alleged affair between petraeus and his biographer, paula broadwell. the f.b.i. is already concluded that the former director was not the source of the classified
reagan was with the blowing up of the u.s. marine in beirut. >> shep: this just one of several hearings that were underway today. each focused on what went wrong in benghazi. katherine herrage live. it's my understanding that within the hour, we've learned some members of congress viewed a video of that attack happening in benghazi. >> the intelligence community put together a half hour video, composite from multiple video sources that shows the minutes before the attack, the...
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reagan with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> now david petraeus will testify about the benghazi attack tomorrow, exactly a week after he resigned cite an extramarital affair. and there is word secretary of state hillary clinton will testify on benghazi next month. here is the latest from the pentagon on the petraeus scandal. first let's get to katherine who is live in washington. katherine, the scope of all of this is pretty unusual. >> well those two classified hearings bring together the government's top intelligence and law enforcement officials. what was clear was the president's comments on ambassador susan rice is really getting some traction. one republican alleging that, quote, the president misinformed and lied to the american people over the benghazi affair. what was also clear is that the president wants to promote ambassador susan rice. even though she said benghazi was a spontaneous attack when it seemed clear it was terrorism. >> president obama has the gal to float the name of secretary of st
reagan with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> now david petraeus will testify about the benghazi attack tomorrow, exactly a week after he resigned cite an extramarital affair. and there is word secretary of state hillary clinton will testify on benghazi next month. here is the latest from the pentagon on the petraeus scandal. first let's get to katherine who is live in washington. katherine, the scope of all of this is pretty unusual. >> well those two classified...
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i thought ronald reagan had a fairly successful second term and bill clinton's was marred by his own personal issues. second trerms difficult. w. had a difficult time. one of the things i think they underestimate at the white house and the treasury is the idea of doing tax reform. when you both were probably in preschool, i was covering the '85, '86, tax reform act, and to call it heavy lifting is an understatement. it took a savvy, smart treasury secretary, jim baker, working with capitol hill and a supportive president, and democrats and republicans. i don't see any of those ingredients today to do tax reform in 2013, 2014. >> especially if the president is going to have a new treasury secretary. itim geithner, this has sort of been his-- tim geithner wanted to be behind tax reform, wanted to be the force behind corporate tax reform. that might speak to tim geithner staying on a little long fer they think they can get something done in the first six months. >> why is anything different now? why is anything different in the second term? >> good point. >> i'll turn the hosting to you
i thought ronald reagan had a fairly successful second term and bill clinton's was marred by his own personal issues. second trerms difficult. w. had a difficult time. one of the things i think they underestimate at the white house and the treasury is the idea of doing tax reform. when you both were probably in preschool, i was covering the '85, '86, tax reform act, and to call it heavy lifting is an understatement. it took a savvy, smart treasury secretary, jim baker, working with capitol hill...
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he went in there with one goal, like ronald reagan used to do, i want one headline, don't let the middle class be held hostage. he repeated it over and over again. >> reporter: he said it 19 times. >> he didn't want the headline to be switched by adversarial press or neutral press that didn't to want go with his line to say him, adamant, president adamant on rich paying 39.6%. maybe that's why you softened up to you. just an interpretation. >> reporter: i can tell you congressional republicans were happy with his response. they like to know there is some give. here's where the give could be, chris. nobody's talked about this. i mean, there's been some behind the scenes chatter on this, which is you could see tax rates temporarily go up just not all the way to 39%. it could be somewhere in the middle. ends up being the compromise for the one year. don't forget, this is all about setting the tax rates simply for 2013, while they negotiate larger tax reform. so, that could be what the wiggle room is. obviously, republicans have said they don't want to raise tax rates at all. they're fine wi
he went in there with one goal, like ronald reagan used to do, i want one headline, don't let the middle class be held hostage. he repeated it over and over again. >> reporter: he said it 19 times. >> he didn't want the headline to be switched by adversarial press or neutral press that didn't to want go with his line to say him, adamant, president adamant on rich paying 39.6%. maybe that's why you softened up to you. just an interpretation. >> reporter: i can tell you...
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i would play this ronald reagan clip on social security. >> social security has nothing to do with the deficit. social security is totally funded by the payroll tax levyied on employer and employee. >> cenk: social security off the table, not having that conversation. medicare, well there was this guy who was running for vice president who had some ideas. let's find out how that turned out for him. >> option accounts for social security. [ buzzer ] >> cenk: wrong again bob. well he also had ideas on medicaid. >> what we're trying to do is cut medicaid food stamp reforms, education reforms for job training. couple these things by sending them back to the states in bloc grants. [ buzzer ] >> cenk: wrong again bob. you just ran an election on that and got your ass handed to you. i won. you lost. if you like we can do this again in 2014. 2014, 2014. they will bend if you have someone strong who actually cared to win. i'm keeping it real. when we come back, speaking of real we'll go to the real housewives of the c.i.a. >> cause i'm honoring council so i have involume ability they should not
i would play this ronald reagan clip on social security. >> social security has nothing to do with the deficit. social security is totally funded by the payroll tax levyied on employer and employee. >> cenk: social security off the table, not having that conversation. medicare, well there was this guy who was running for vice president who had some ideas. let's find out how that turned out for him. >> option accounts for social security. [ buzzer ] >> cenk: wrong again...
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we haven't touched it since ronald reagan in 1986. bill clinton did raise it at one point but we haven't done anything to touch the rate and reform -- tecum from 16.5% to 15% which most of you are aware of because you do business there, and this capital investment is going to follow countries that have a more competitive environment in taxes is one of them's a we have to reform the tax code and when you do that you will get more revenue. it's guaranteed. again, as i was talking at earlier there are opportunities here for us as a country and if you look at the congressional budget analysts this and go to the tax committee analysis what tax reform could mean in the economic growth and all of them will lead to more growth with this corporate tax reform. estimate of the president says what he did last friday, this was fought over in the campaign and we fought over rising tax rates. jay carney said they would veto any bill that extends the current tax rate so if he insists that tax rates go out for those making over to under $50,000 will w
we haven't touched it since ronald reagan in 1986. bill clinton did raise it at one point but we haven't done anything to touch the rate and reform -- tecum from 16.5% to 15% which most of you are aware of because you do business there, and this capital investment is going to follow countries that have a more competitive environment in taxes is one of them's a we have to reform the tax code and when you do that you will get more revenue. it's guaranteed. again, as i was talking at earlier there...
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reagan, the outsourcing of our jobs. there are a lot of people trying to live and $10 an hour while they are getting social security, medicare, taking out of their money, and then they are told by people like paul ryan and mitt romney that that is an entitlement. to me, that is like more of a ponzi scheme if they take that away. getting back to the elephant in the room, until we start talking about structurally change in this country beyond fighting over taxes -- you can fight over moving around the chairs on the titanic, but what really needs to be done is we need to repeal the trade agreement, look at taxing goods from china, and we need to get jobs back into this country, manufacturing jobs with wages people can live on and pressure for wages to go up. right now, the pressure is for wages to go down. you are fighting over what is less of the money coming in. host: let's go to the congressman. guest: this is an important issue that was fought over in the campaign. we need to support manufacturing in this country. i com
reagan, the outsourcing of our jobs. there are a lot of people trying to live and $10 an hour while they are getting social security, medicare, taking out of their money, and then they are told by people like paul ryan and mitt romney that that is an entitlement. to me, that is like more of a ponzi scheme if they take that away. getting back to the elephant in the room, until we start talking about structurally change in this country beyond fighting over taxes -- you can fight over moving...
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. >> but in the '80s when you could elect someone like ronald reagan, i'm not sure you can do that again. some of those policies were probably responsible for what happened in the '80s. those aren't going to happen this time. >> no, in the '90s, you mean. >> no, in the '80s. if jimmy carter had been reelected i'm not sure we would've had a great period in the 1980s. i'm not sure it's our birthright to have another great -- >> well, that was the whole thing. >> mike's not going anywhere. we're going to continue our conversation with him. up next, though, stocks you need to have in your portfolio for 2013 regardless of whether the economy spirals off the fiscal cliff. that means growth companies with lots of cash to buy back stock. the details on that next. but first, take a look at shares of abercrombie today. earnings sharply better than the street forecast. a & f raising guidance, stock trading higher on that news. and michael jeffries, the ceo of that company, got that airplane. what's the song they play on the airplane? it says "take me home"? take a look at futures this morning, s&p
. >> but in the '80s when you could elect someone like ronald reagan, i'm not sure you can do that again. some of those policies were probably responsible for what happened in the '80s. those aren't going to happen this time. >> no, in the '90s, you mean. >> no, in the '80s. if jimmy carter had been reelected i'm not sure we would've had a great period in the 1980s. i'm not sure it's our birthright to have another great -- >> well, that was the whole thing. >>...
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. >> in your book you say ronald reagan lied about poverty so he could succeed. you wrote middle class folks didn't have to worry they were indulging resentment. they were doing it because those programs hurt poor people. reagan said so. do the republicans still believe this message? >> i don't know if they really believe it. i don't know if they care. they don't care about the poor, but they've been selling it for a long time, ed. i'm with michael. he is looking backwards to an america that wasn't as wonderful as he thinks, and he's becoming kind of like a glenn beck figure. he's really not leaving it alone. when he went here on election night, i thought maybe he'll get over it. the majority of americans voted for barack obama. we have values. the majority of catholics voted for barack obama. a vast majority of jews voted for president obama. he has a problem with white protestant southern evangelical people, but he doesn't have -- it's not his whole coalition is secular. we have values, too. >> professor, how can we not come to the conclusion that bill o'reilly
. >> in your book you say ronald reagan lied about poverty so he could succeed. you wrote middle class folks didn't have to worry they were indulging resentment. they were doing it because those programs hurt poor people. reagan said so. do the republicans still believe this message? >> i don't know if they really believe it. i don't know if they care. they don't care about the poor, but they've been selling it for a long time, ed. i'm with michael. he is looking backwards to an...
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ronald reagan, in part with the help of jack kemp a generation ago, found a way to sell supply side economics as a blue collar alternative. to sell it to the common man. that's what reagan and kemp were all about. the republicans lost the ability to do that. they lost the argument once. they're going to have to figure out how to make that argument again because if they're going to say that unleashing the power of the free market is the route forward for the middle class and the working people of america, they need convincing arguments and convincing people to do it. mitt romney, if you look at it from even the slightest distance, was arguably the worst possible carrier of that message. they need somebody else. they need southern populism or populism from somewhere, but they also need the proof. they need the evidence. and lacking the evidence last time in the election of a week ago, a week or two ago, people went with the -- what they knew, which was the president's belief in the power of government to work well with the economy. >> i think they realized during the campaign thanks to some ext
ronald reagan, in part with the help of jack kemp a generation ago, found a way to sell supply side economics as a blue collar alternative. to sell it to the common man. that's what reagan and kemp were all about. the republicans lost the ability to do that. they lost the argument once. they're going to have to figure out how to make that argument again because if they're going to say that unleashing the power of the free market is the route forward for the middle class and the working people...
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ronald reagan did it with a democratic house after a resounding second term victory. as did bill clinton with the republican controlled house and republican controlled senate after a more resounding second term victory then president obama. both examples, both of them, illustrate the rare opportunity that divided government presents. president obama can follow suit or he can take the extremist view that both reagan and clinton rejected by founding his nose at the other side and insisting that if republicans are not willing to do things his way he will not do anything at all. if the president is serious, he will follow the lead of president reagan and clinton. if he is really serious, he will put the campaign rhetoric aside, propose a realistic resolution that can pass a republican controlled house and a divided senate, and work to get it done. if the president acts in this spirit, i have no doubt he will have the support of his own party and a willing partner in hours. the american people will criticize of relief knowing not only that we have avoided a crisis, but tha
ronald reagan did it with a democratic house after a resounding second term victory. as did bill clinton with the republican controlled house and republican controlled senate after a more resounding second term victory then president obama. both examples, both of them, illustrate the rare opportunity that divided government presents. president obama can follow suit or he can take the extremist view that both reagan and clinton rejected by founding his nose at the other side and insisting that...
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may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't really embraced ronald reagan. >> somehow i don't think he hit the nail on the head. but louisiana governor bobby jindal might be onto something. he says the republicans need to stop being the stupid party. wow, the stupid party. there is a war inside the gop and nobody knows how this will end. joining me now, steve kornacki and krystal ball, co-hosts of "the cycle" on msnbc. >> our guys, the upper echelon of the republican party, want to fashion themselves as members of the ruling class. we the country class are not in the ruling class. we're in a problem. >> steve, limbaugh is pointing to a big split in the party. where do you think this is going? is this a fight we're going to see rush and the establishment have? >> yeah. this is the problem for the republican party. that kind of a fight is probably good for rush limbaugh in terms of it gives him something to talk about, gives him status within the conservative movement. and it really allows him to rile up his audience, his base and say, i'm the voice of the pure conservative. it's this
may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't really embraced ronald reagan. >> somehow i don't think he hit the nail on the head. but louisiana governor bobby jindal might be onto something. he says the republicans need to stop being the stupid party. wow, the stupid party. there is a war inside the gop and nobody knows how this will end. joining me now, steve kornacki and krystal ball, co-hosts of "the cycle" on msnbc. >> our guys, the upper echelon of the republican...